Comments on: Ye Tian-Shi – Constraint (Liver and Spleen) http://www.chinesemedicinedoc.com/casestudy/ye-tian-shi-constraint-liver-and-spleen/ ure and Chinese Medicine Blog from Boulder, ColoradoAcupunct Sun, 20 Nov 2011 19:30:32 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Jason Blalack http://www.chinesemedicinedoc.com/casestudy/ye-tian-shi-constraint-liver-and-spleen/comment-page-1/#comment-9 Jason Blalack Sun, 30 Aug 2009 14:44:40 +0000 http://new.chinesemedicinedoc.com/?p=1596#comment-9 Steve, Thanks for the comment. Your questions are not easy to answer. Ye Tian-Shi's cases are notoriously terse. However, since you are interested in Ye Tian-Shi I will start posting more constraint cases that use similar herbs. From this, together, we can start to make sense of why he picks certain herbs versus others. As you know, one of these cases it is not very helpful, but as we amass similar cases I think things will become clearer. Please feel free to ask a specific question about a given herb and I will try to find an answer for you. Steve,

Thanks for the comment. Your questions are not easy to answer. Ye Tian-Shi’s cases are notoriously terse. However, since you are interested in Ye Tian-Shi I will start posting more constraint cases that use similar herbs. From this, together, we can start to make sense of why he picks certain herbs versus others. As you know, one of these cases it is not very helpful, but as we amass similar cases I think things will become clearer. Please feel free to ask a specific question about a given herb and I will try to find an answer for you.

]]> By: Steve Bonzak http://www.chinesemedicinedoc.com/casestudy/ye-tian-shi-constraint-liver-and-spleen/comment-page-1/#comment-6 Steve Bonzak Thu, 27 Aug 2009 21:02:52 +0000 http://new.chinesemedicinedoc.com/?p=1596#comment-6 Hi Jason- Thanks for starting this project. I think the translation of cases with commentary into English is extremely important and really appreciate you sharing these. So one question that pops to mind when I read a case like this and the formula written, is what was the rationale? Certainly if I had read lots and lots of Ye Tian-shi case studies I would be able to see his method a bit more clearly. Do you have insights for use as to why these particular liver qi coursing and blood regulating herbs were chosen and not others? -Steve Hi Jason-

Thanks for starting this project. I think the translation of cases with commentary into English is extremely important and really appreciate you sharing these.

So one question that pops to mind when I read a case like this and the formula written, is what was the rationale? Certainly if I had read lots and lots of Ye Tian-shi case studies I would be able to see his method a bit more clearly. Do you have insights for use as to why these particular liver qi coursing and blood regulating herbs were chosen and not others?

-Steve

]]> By: Jason Blalack http://www.chinesemedicinedoc.com/casestudy/ye-tian-shi-constraint-liver-and-spleen/comment-page-1/#comment-5 Jason Blalack Thu, 27 Aug 2009 03:03:48 +0000 http://new.chinesemedicinedoc.com/?p=1596#comment-5 As with many of Ye Tian-Shi's case studies, things are a little vague. We can extrapolate a couple important things from this case. 1. A wiry and choppy pulse is fairly significant in diagnosing constraint. 2. It is not uncommon for obvious symptoms to just not be listed. For example, there could easily be rib side pain. 3. We see a pattern of Liver and Spleen constraint. This is a bit different from a typical Liver invading Spleen (with a deficient Spleen). Notice the formula contains no tonifying herbs (except the mild fu ling). The first six herbs address the Liver, the last two address the Spleen. Contrast this to xiao yao san (which by the way will show up in a future Ye Tian-Shi case study-- soon). 4. Five herbs are cooling. Any other ideas or questions? As with many of Ye Tian-Shi’s case studies, things are a little vague. We can extrapolate a couple important things from this case.
1. A wiry and choppy pulse is fairly significant in diagnosing constraint.
2. It is not uncommon for obvious symptoms to just not be listed. For example, there could easily be rib side pain.
3. We see a pattern of Liver and Spleen constraint. This is a bit different from a typical Liver invading Spleen (with a deficient Spleen). Notice the formula contains no tonifying herbs (except the mild fu ling). The first six herbs address the Liver, the last two address the Spleen. Contrast this to xiao yao san (which by the way will show up in a future Ye Tian-Shi case study– soon).
4. Five herbs are cooling.

Any other ideas or questions?

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