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	<title>Comments on: Ye Tian-Shi &#8211; Constraint #2 &amp; #3 (Xiao yao san)</title>
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		<title>By: Jason Blalack</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason Blalack</dc:creator>
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		<description>In regard to bai zhu, I just read some further commentary about this case. It quite simply says &quot;in cases of Liver constraint and Spleen deficiency, XYS was Ye&#039;s representative formula... if the spleen deficiency is not obvious then Ye would frequently eliminate bai zhu.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In regard to bai zhu, I just read some further commentary about this case. It quite simply says &#8220;in cases of Liver constraint and Spleen deficiency, XYS was Ye&#8217;s representative formula&#8230; if the spleen deficiency is not obvious then Ye would frequently eliminate bai zhu.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Jason Blalack</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason Blalack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Sep 2009 20:34:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a good question, and one that I hope will be clearer as we look at some more cases. However here are some quick thoughts: 

&lt;em&gt;Yu jin&lt;/em&gt; regulates the &lt;em&gt;qi&lt;/em&gt; within the blood. &lt;em&gt;chuan lian zi&lt;/em&gt;, in comparison, only enters the qi level. Although this is not a blood stasis pattern per se, the use of &lt;em&gt;yu jin&lt;/em&gt; prevents the stagnation from going to a deeper level. &lt;em&gt;chuan lian zi &lt;/em&gt;does not have this ability. Or, quite simply, it points that there is some blood level involvement, for it is said, (in relation to constraint patterns), &quot;In the beginning the disease is in the &lt;em&gt;qi&lt;/em&gt; aspect, if it endures it enters the blood aspect.&quot; 

If I&#039;m not mistaken, Ye Tian-Shi only uses &lt;em&gt;chuan lian zi&lt;/em&gt; for constraint patterns when there is clear pain. Consequently, if it was added to the above cases, I would assume that there is a more severe presentation that is not mentioned, such as strong pain. 

** Steve, nice observation in regard the SHL symptoms. Lets keep this in mind as we look at more cases.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a good question, and one that I hope will be clearer as we look at some more cases. However here are some quick thoughts: </p>
<p><em>Yu jin</em> regulates the <em>qi</em> within the blood. <em>chuan lian zi</em>, in comparison, only enters the qi level. Although this is not a blood stasis pattern per se, the use of <em>yu jin</em> prevents the stagnation from going to a deeper level. <em>chuan lian zi </em>does not have this ability. Or, quite simply, it points that there is some blood level involvement, for it is said, (in relation to constraint patterns), &#8220;In the beginning the disease is in the <em>qi</em> aspect, if it endures it enters the blood aspect.&#8221; </p>
<p>If I&#8217;m not mistaken, Ye Tian-Shi only uses <em>chuan lian zi</em> for constraint patterns when there is clear pain. Consequently, if it was added to the above cases, I would assume that there is a more severe presentation that is not mentioned, such as strong pain. </p>
<p>** Steve, nice observation in regard the SHL symptoms. Lets keep this in mind as we look at more cases.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Bonzak</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Bonzak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Aug 2009 19:06:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jason-

From what I understand of my studies of the Shanghan Lun, baizhu is often removed if there are signs and symptoms like &quot;pounding above the umbilicus,&quot; vomiting, and abdominal fullness.  Since I would assume Ye to be well versed in SHL, he probably removed baizhu for that reason in both of these cases.  

Again, while I sort of get why yujin would be added to a case of Liver constraint engendering heat, I wonder what clinical signs and symptoms make him choose this medicinal over something like chuan lian zi?

-Steve</description>
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<p>From what I understand of my studies of the Shanghan Lun, baizhu is often removed if there are signs and symptoms like &#8220;pounding above the umbilicus,&#8221; vomiting, and abdominal fullness.  Since I would assume Ye to be well versed in SHL, he probably removed baizhu for that reason in both of these cases.  </p>
<p>Again, while I sort of get why yujin would be added to a case of Liver constraint engendering heat, I wonder what clinical signs and symptoms make him choose this medicinal over something like chuan lian zi?</p>
<p>-Steve</p>
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